Uniquely Ethiopian Shortened Lebel Rifles

Today we are looking at an interesting sub-type of Ethiopian Lebel short rifle. When InterOrdnance brought in the surviving Lebels from Ethiopian storage, eleven of one hundred were in this configuration, with barrels shortened to about 25 inches. Each rifle is a bit different – especially in front sight configuration – and all of them have Ethiopian markings added to the receiver. Viewed individually they simply appear to be badly cut-down rifles, but I think it’s interesting to note that they formed a non-trivial proportion of the rifles in Ethiopian stores. It is not known who made these changes or when, but one can easily understand the desire to shorten a rifle as long and unwieldy as the original Lebel.

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  1. I am assuming these modified Lebels would hold 5 rounds. I have often thought this would have been a sensible modification for the French to have made. The 3 round modification they did finally make seems stupidly short to me, though if they were only issued to Maginot Line troops, I suppose shortness was the main feature, rather than usability.

    I would have thought that it would have been quite possible to convert Lebels to using the 3 or 5 round clips used by Berthier rifles without much difficulty. There is plenty of room in their slab sided receivers, and such a modification, allied to a shortened barrel of about 24 inches, would have made a really decent rifle by WWI standards. It would not have been great, but a lot better than a tube magazine rifle with a 30 inch barrel. Maybe the Ethiopians did something like that? Only time will tell.

      • I think that as just happenstance coming from cutting the barrel so far back on these carbine conversions. I doubt they aimed for three round capacity. The Berthier at least has a clip loading system, that is quick enough. With a M1886 Lebel carbine you have to load each cartridge into the tube magazine individually not really faster than a Remington Rolling Block in the end. I think this french conversions is the worst in how close to a sinlge shot rifle it produced. The French must have loved their very very short cavalry carbines. The execution of the conversions by the ethiopian gunsmiths is rather questionable though. What is the word for “bubba the gunbutcher” in Amharic?

      • There was also the Mle. 1907/15/34, a Berthier 07/15 converted to 7.5 x 54 with a 5-shot Mauser-type magazine;

        http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20Mle%2007-15%20M34.html

        It had a 57cm (22.5″) barrel, and was sighted to 900m although its best range was 200 or less.

        Considering the large numbers of 07/15 and even 92/16 Berthiers available (after all, the 07/15 became the new standard rifle by the middle of the Great War) converting them to 7.5 x 54 with the Mauser-type magazine was probably cheaper and more practical than converting the Lebels.

        cheers

        eon

  2. I inherited an 8MM Lebel/Berthier with the three-round en clip feed. My Father cut it down to just a half-inch over legal length for a hard-hitting ‘bush gun.’It works just fine but has NO SAFETY.

      • Both the Lebel and the Kropatschek have a magazine cutoff, which locks the lifter in the up position. This allows the rifles to be used as single-shots like the Gras, reserving the magazine for very rapid fire when needed.

        The cutoffs are also the nearest thing to a “safety” on any French service rifle prior to the MAT 1949 and 49/56. The two semiautomatic rifles have actual manual safeties, and of course need them.

        cheers

        eon

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