The “Kevin” (sometimes called a ZP-98) was developed by Czech gunsmith Antonín Zendl and introduced at the IWA show in 2007. It was a micro-compact pocket pistol chambered for either .380 ACP or 9mm Makarov (the Kevin M). It held six rounds in its magazine, and the most notable feature is a pair of gas vent holes just in front of the barrel. These blow gas against the slide, maybe delaying its opening – and also reduce chamber pressure and velocity to reduce felt recoil.
In 2008, the design was licensed to Magnum Research in the US, who marketed it as the Micro Desert Eagle (because everything from Magnum Research must be somehow linked to the Desert Eagle). The Czech manufacturer went out of business in 2013, and the guns do not appear to be in production any longer in either country.
Thanks to Sellier & Bellot for giving me access to this pair of interesting pistols to film for you!
See also: https://www.forgottenweapons.com/high-standard-t3-prototype-an-american-blowback-at-james-d-julia/ (9:00 in the video)
Another example of using powder gases to slow down slide is OTs-35 https://gunrf.ru/rg_pistol_ots35_eng.html
There is also one obscure russian smg where said contraption is mounted on slide-bolt, iirc
As well as gillum machine pistol, 2 hand weirdstrosity
Do you have a disassembled Mak photo? I cannot distinguish if this break is fixed on barrel, or end of the slide
See 2nd image from top at https://dzen.ru/a/YWWPSA8UMWxyTGD0
thanks!
Daweo, youre versed in rus. guns, do you have some info about ots pernach pistol ?
From what I know, it also uses some delaying scheme of moveable barrel (to slow rate of fire?), but I don’t understand fully whats happening during its action, like maybe slide is striking the barrel and moving it back
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According to https://soldiersystems.net/2025/06/02/canada-pursues-nato-stanag-of-6-5-x-43/
Canada Pursues NATO STANAG of 6.5 x 43mm which to my knowledge exists in composite (polymer) and brass version. Which one is subject of said STANAG?
It seems they are advocating for the STANAG of .264 LICC (that would be converted in metric for NATO standard, hence the 6.5×43 designation). .264 LICC uses a two-piece steel cartridge. Originally is stainless steel that, to me, it’s a waste of alloy material for no gain (mechanically, stainelss steel is never the best solution), but NATO standards are not so strict to prevent manufacturers to use standard steel, laquered or copper/brass/nickel plated.
Considered .264 LICC is FN creation (even if by US request), my bet is that the other NATO member advocating for it is Belgium.
I’ve talked extensively about it in the past. Power wise the .264 LICC is a little hotter than classic 6.5 cartridges (as 6.5 Carcano, 6.5 Mannlicher-Schonauer or 6.5 Arisaka) but, since it’s going to be used with shorter barrels, real muzzle energy would be slightly lower. If .308 Win. is a compact 30-06, .264 LICC is a compact 6.5 Carcano/MS/Arisaka.
A demonstration that late 19th century calculations on the best charateristics for an infantry round still rock.
Slowing the bullet in barrel through vent holes may cause burning much powder inside and by means, resulting nearly same speed and energy…
More powerfull kick of .380″ bullet may be caused through the same effect…
If the gas is exiting the holes, how can that aid in burning the powder
Existing gas slows the bullet as causing more time remaining in the barrel and more time causes more powder to burn…
This could be a theoretical talking quasi-science point, but in practice, unfortunately no way its gonna happen as such.
For full combustion, powder needs a pressure inside barrel, that stuff is happening as bullet is squeezed through the lands
It might have sold here if it had been introduced ten years earlier. But by 2007-08 the Ruger LCP locked-breech .380 was ready for sales. And MRI just couldn’t match Ruger’s production and marketing volume.
Also, the Browning-type locked breech system of the LCP didn’t give you a snootful of powder gases with every shot. Moving the Kevin’s gas ports forward to blow into the front of the slide as on the Steyr GB-80 design might have been a better idea.
The interesting thing is that the Kevin could have also been a locked-breech design, using a rotating-barrel lock. That might have been a better seller.
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The “Kevin” moniker reminds me of the naming convention used by Wilkinson Arms, back in the day.
You rather suspect that with some of these idiosyncratic designs that the designer came up with an idea, and then chose to run it out into the full illogical consequences of it all. In other words, the pistol design came first, then the manufacturing/marketing strategy. Quite the opposite of how a successful business operation does things, and the usual glidepath into the ground by the usual sort of inventive “genius” behind these things. It’s possible that they’re actually gifted in terms of design smarts, but… Business plans?
If I were to propose a design/manufacture/marketing proposal, I think I’d start from the standpoint of “What’s really going on with pistols, for the average use-case and the average user…?”
I’m pretty sure that this would result in something very much like one of those “personal fire extinguishers” or the classic US Forest Service fire shelter: A unitary package that remains sealed until the need for its use demonstrates it, and then the user deploys it.
This would not, I believe, look anything like a classic pistol. It would probably be something small, rectangular in form, with a sealed mechanism and controls that are only accessible once the exterior packaging is removed. Then, the user would fire it and upon completion of the task, return it for remanufacture/reloading and so forth. I’d design in taggants that would deploy upon use, marking all concerned for the authorities, and basically make it as simple as possible so that anyone at all could use it. Training devices would be available, such that you could actually practice with it and gain the limited skills you’d need to deploy it.
Basically, throw out the classic “Pistolero” model of handgun design for self-defense, and move over to “fire extinguisher” model. The end result would likely not even look like a handgun, might not even work like one.
Our current model of this has never been all that workable, TBH. Think of all the .38 Special revolvers out there moldering in drawers, purchased in exigency at some remote point in the past, owned and wielded as though they were magical talismans against evil. That’s the way a huge swath of the handgun realm actually gets used; why the hell not design towards that model? Include tell-tale markers on the sealed packaging, so that you can easily tell what the state of the ammunition load is; sealed in nitrogen, such a load should last forever, but with the tagging saying “Yeah, the wrap was breached, there’s been oxygen in here… Get a new one…”, you’d have no fear about your ammo going south due to age.
In other words, I’d rethink the entire “self-defense” paradigm, and stop making believe that everyone and their cousin is another Alvin York, just waiting for the opportunity to manifest themselves under threat.
Thanks Kirk . That was very thought provoking
“(…)average use-case and the average user(…)”
This is how SEDGLEY GLOVE GUN started https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/74/509/usn-sedgley-mk2-fist-gun-glove-pistol …was designed with the regular soldier in mind first and foremost. Citing the prevalence of sneak attacks and hand to hand combat in warfare, Haight designed a weapon that could be ready and at hand at all waking hours, so even if a soldier was caught unaware or while separated from his regular service weapon, he could simply ball up his fist and make a good, loud response.
“(…)as possible so that anyone at all could use it(…)”
You have described Palm Pistol® https://constitutionarms.com/palm-pistol/ It is an adaptive aid intended for seniors, disabled or others with grip limitations due to hand strength, manual dexterity or phalangeal amputations. The zero bore axis eliminates muzzle rise during firing and directs recoil forces directly into the palm. It can be fired using the thumb or combinations of other fingers.
“(…)something small, rectangular in form(…)”
You have described TKB-506 https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/TKB-506
Re the Sedgley, the reason it was built on a work glove is that it was intended primarily for the Seabees. They wanted a weapon their heavy equipment operators could deploy vs. Japanese soldiers who were trained to jump up next to the operator’s seat of a bulldozer, etc., and grab the operator’s right arm and hand to prevent him from drawing a .45 automatic or .38 revolver.
With the gun built on a left-handed work glove (and the operators would be wearing work gloves anyway) all the operator needed to do was punch the intrusive enemy combatant in the face. Delivering a .38 caliber bullet to make the point in no uncertain terms.
How the myth of the Glove Gun being an OSS “spy device” got started is one of those mysteries that crop up in every wartime situation.
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Secrecy forces later witnesses to “invent” explanations.
The name is horrible! Too much Home alone vibes
Better than the usual string of letters and numbers.
Exactly what the rumors say. Little brat to Fend away the nad guys.
Are Contenders designed for newb or casual hunters? No, they’re marketed to the Alvin Yorks, the experts looking for more of a challenge. Single-shot throwaway defensive pistols would be viable only if every buyer was York.
Today’s pistols are the way they are precisely because casual carriers need all the help they can get. They aren’t designed to gunfight eighteen people. They’re designed to give Patrolman Missalot 17 second chances.
One of the Winter Arms handgun designs, the Ishtar .25 ACP, was very like that;
https://americanhandgunner.com/handguns/tomorrows-handgun-designs-today/
https://americanhandgunner.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/ISHTAR_01.jpg
In many ways it was a self-loading rendition of the French “Gaulois” palm pistol of a century ago;
https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/Manufrance_Gaulois
Note that the Gaulois was originally a .32 Short but late in its production some were made in .25 ACP.
Believe it or not, a good choice of cartridge for such a “fire extinguisher” gun might be something like the .14 Eichelberger Dart, a necked-down .25 ACP launching a 13-grain bullet at 2,700 F/S for 210 FPE.
Or even weirder (but only about half as powerful) either .25 NAA or 5.45x18mm Russian (PSM).
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That “Ishtar” design has several features along the lines I was thinking.
.25 ACP ain’t the caliber I’d use, though.
What I think I’d specify for this idea would be an easily opened and discarded outer package; one with perhaps a link to a “squawk” feature that would automatically dial 911, send out a location beacon, and start recording audio and perhaps visual for evidence. Once the outer wrap was off, all you’d need to do is point and pull the actuator until the threat ended.
As time and technology advances, something like this is going to come into use. Add in some artificial intelligence features for threat identification and aiming, and you’ve got the ultimate “Give this to the untrained neophyte” package.
Think of it as a “life preserver” for violent situations; something you keep around, like a fire shelter, carried on your belt or elsewhere on your person, and only used in exigency.
Frankly, I think about 90% of the pistols in the military could be beneficially replaced with something like this idea. The vast majority of the users I dealt with had zero interest and even less ability to learn how to shoot an actual traditional handgun. Many of them simply had the wrong mindset, in all honesty… Which, when coupled with the utter lack of interest, led to some really disastrous outcomes.
“Self-defense in a can” is basically what I’m thinking of, here. Lethal “Bear Spray for People”.
Are we on the same wavelength or something? 😉
I think the main thing going with the micro-calibers is dealing with people who are not likely to practice and as such are not going to react well to recoil. For them, something with as little “kick” as possible would probably be a good thing.
There’s also size to consider. Going back to Ruger’s LCP, it’s not really practical to make a .38/9mm caliber class pistol much smaller than that, and it only holds seven rounds (6+1).
And the bigger it is, the more likely it will be either left at home when needed “on the street”, or else buried in a bottom dresser drawer instead of in the top drawer of the bedside table, where it can be easily accessed when there’s a third party in the house at 2 A.M.
So to have a large enough magazine capacity to make up for non-
IDPA level marksmanship, you sort of end up with a small cartridge envelope.
And about 200 FPE ME is the lowest I would go, energy-wise, if I’m expecting to meet up with Tiny the Hell’s Angel or his kin. Or having to deal with Mr. Recently Paroled Three-Time Loser Registered Sex Offender coming in the bedroom window at three in the morning.
Something about the size of the KelTec P17 .22 pistol would be about the largest piece of ordnance I’d put in this category. But chambering a hypervelocity smallbore round that hits a lot harder than a .22 rimfire out of a short barrel.
Of course, us “gun people” all have our own solutions. (Mine have always tended to say “.357 Magnum” or “.45 ACP” on the side, except the ones that said “.30 USC”, “5.56mm”, “.30-30 WCF” or “12-gauge 3″”.)
But here, we’re talking about people who are not “gunny” types, and who are probably almost as scared of the “gun” as they are of a potential assailant.
Short of having 24/7 paid bodyguards, something along the lines of a “product-improved” Ishtar firing a microbore round that hits like a .22 WMR out of a rifle-length barrel is probably the “least worst” alternative for them.
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“(…)start recording(…)visual for evidence(…)”
If you need fire-arm with picture taking feature then use Kentron https://military-exotic.blogspot.com/2024/09/kentron-1993-1994.html
Mind you if I was an American, I would insist nobody in my family bought anything but hammer gun Ruger revolver lcr and used snap caps as a safety “Double action needed – Pull the trigger more, how hard is it.” accidents, are a thing.
Ammunition goes bad even if it is sealed from oxygen. That’s why they add diphenylamine: nitrocellulose is inherently unstable, and diphenylamine sops up the nitrogen oxides that it releases; when all the diphenylamine is used up, the nitrogen oxides start catalyzing further decomposition and things start to get dangerous. (It’s not always diphenylamine; other compounds can be used, but the idea is the same.)
So a different indicator system would be necessary, say something that discolored on exposure to nitrogen oxides.
The problem I see is with marketing: gun guys won’t go for it, because we want something we can practice with, and other purchasers generally follow the gun guys in what they buy. (That make-believe is a big selling point.)
Or maybe after 150 years (starting with the first “nitro” powders in the 1870s) we need better, more advanced propellant chemistry.
The whole “caseless ammunition” brouhaha sort of missed the point. A monolithic-grain propellant replacing smokeless powder? Very good idea. Not protecting it in storage, transport and weather by putting it in a sealed container, i.e. a cartridge case? Not such a good idea.
The same could be said for liquid gun propellants. Some, like the hydrazine derivatives, are certainly storable; the “steely-eyeed missile men” have dealt with Unsymmetrical Di-Methyl Hydrazine (UDMH) and Mono-Methyl Hydrazine (MMH) that way literally for decades. And liquid propellants, just like the majority of solid rocket propellants, have a lot more energy (Kcal/mole) than even the best smokeless powders of today.
A future cartridge should probably be made of something other than metal. Some plastic material that does not react chemically with the contents. (This is especially necessary with the hydrazines, which do not like copper alloys- like cartridge brass.)
The shape would likely be a simple cylinder, with the projectile entirely within it, not sticking out the end. (That bottlenecked case has always been a major PITA for reliable feeding, especially in high fire-rate weapons like automatic cannon.)
Ignition might be by percussion, but more likely electric. An ignition “band” could be sintered into the plastic case at any point, but most likely would be near the front. (“Front ignition” has several ballistic advantages we won’t go into here.)
As a final advantage, our plastic or etc. cartridge case could be made combustible, with a slightly slower burn rate than the propellant. That is, as the front-ignited propellant burns, the case burns just enough slower to maintain obturation until the propellant is entirely consumed and the projectile is “on the way”. Then the casing itself is gone, possibly adding its little bit of gas pressure to the shot or operating the loading mechanism. (When I say “burns slower” here, I’m talking in picoseconds.)
There’s even a term for this, now; Combustible Plastic-Cased Telescoped Ammunition, or CPCTA. (And no, I didn’t “invent” it, Aberdeen Proving Ground did.)
While the obvious first application of this cartridge technology would be high-RoF automatic cannon (think a 25mm Vulcan aircraft cannon firing 2X as fast as today with nearly double the muzzle velocity and effective range), it would have obvious small-arms applications as well. Such as Kirk’s “fire extinguisher” gun. Delivered as a “certified round” like a modern ATGW. When needed, just peel the plastic shrink-wrap off it, point, and click.
If the law permits, it could even be a burst-fire or autofire-only proposition. Increasing the probability of a hit in the hands of an average person who isn’t named “John Wick” or “Harry Callahan”.
To get really post-modern, since you have batteries in there anyway, add a tiny, one-use GPS/cellphone unit. When fired, it calls 911, asks for police assistance, and gives your position.
Call it the “Life Preserver”. Just more practical than its 19th century namesake- the short truncheon.
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It’s almost frightening how much we think alike, eon. See my post of 8:00pm, for an example…
Understand that I’m not advocating for anything in particular, merely pointing out that there are “other paths” to fulfilling the functional purpose we’re using the traditional concept of a handgun for.
Frankly, having had to train all too many of the “herbivores” infesting the upper ranks of the modern military, I’m of the mind that there has to be a better way to go about moving them over from the “domesticated animal/prey” category, and into the “Cape Buffalo/don’t f*ck with unless desperate” one. Handing them a traditional pistol that they’re not going to work at attaining proficiency at? Waste of time and effort.
I might, were I the guy in charge of it all, come up with something like this idea of a “fire shelter” weapon as an incentive: Either you put in the time and effort to attain proficiency on an actual handgun, or you get to carry one of these things instead.
You’d probably have to do something about making them as utterly indiscriminate and lethal as possible; about like a hand-held Claymore, in order to dissuade the average likely opponent from confronting them. About the way the recurved horns and bad attitude tell people to stay the hell away from Cape Buffalo and leave them alone…
Sometimes it is a good idea to go back to first principles and examine your assumptions and the legacy of “installed base”. We should not lock ourselves into “Yeah, we have to have a handgun for this role…”, not when there’s been a total change in nearly all conditions surrounding this use-case.
I mean, OK… Time was, you had to have iron sights and some significant practice in shooting with them to hit the inside of a barn with the doors closed. In the present, you’ve got red dot sights that reduce the issues with sight alignment, and I don’t think that an artificial intelligence “target indicator” sort of affair is all that far off… Put the dot on the bad guy, and the weapon stays focused on that individual, and will not shoot at any “innocent bystanders” that wander into the field of focus, while triggering the weapon should the assailant fail to comply with instructions…
In other words, you pull the weapon, activate it, tell your assailant “Don’t move, or…” and then the weapon takes over from there. Which would nicely deal with the issues of “reluctance to kill” for a lot of people, who’d be able to say “Yeah, I didn’t kill that asshole, he foolishly did something to trigger the weapon I had out for self-defense…”
Many of us rational meat-eating types would be absolutely appalled at the utter lack of survival instinct some of the likely market for these weapons possess… I swear to God, some of them? I spent some time just trying to figure out what the hell they even wanted, being in the military and around firearms. “Oh, I couldn’t actually kill anyone, myself, personally…”
While, I might mention, being the officer in charge of doing the targeting for jamming and all sorts of other enablers that would afford people like me the maximum opportunity to do bad things to the enemy. I mean, OK… It’s kinda different, but you’re only a couple of layers back from the actual slaughter, which is pretty horrific. One of the officers I encountered that demonstrated this issue was one of the people who’d been proximally responsible for making the “Highway of Death” happen during Desert Storm; they had no problem with that, but shooting someone trying to kill them, in person? A bridge too far.
Which is something I find incomprehensible.
Back in Vietnam it was called the “Squad Leader In The Sky” syndrome. Somebody like LBJ or McNamara could sit in D.C. and whistle up an Arclight B-52 strike on a suspected VC stronghold out in the jungle somewhere, leveling half a township at one go, but ask them to actually go there, get their boots on the ground, and look at it? Nope, no way, no how.
Going back to Star Trek, “A Taste of Armageddon” (season 1), they wanted everything to be neat and painless- at least for them. In that one, David Opatoshu as Anan 7 was basically LBJ with a Smart Guy goatee.
I’m almost ready to go with Heinlein’s Starship Troopers theory; only retired veterans allowed in public office, maybe even the only ones allowed to vote in national elections.
As for active service, the Marine idea that everybody starts out as a rifleman has a point. If they can’t attain at least that basic level of military competence, send them home.
And if an OC can’t hit anything with a full-power service pistol, maybe they don’t need to be in uniform either.
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Being a veteran and knowing many of my peers, I have my doubts about the entire premise of Heinlein’s Starship Troopers “veterans only voting” idea. I don’t think that there’s any particular virtue in having signed up to go off and kill strangers for money, which is what I did as a young man. Sure, I dressed it up in my own mind, but in the end? What was I doing? Yeah; I was going to kill people that the political hacks running the country I happened to be born in for really no other reason than I was told to do so.
Sixty-year-old me has some questions for 17-year-old me, in other words…
I do have the belief that there ought to be a certain amount of accountability in the other direction, however… If you’re gonna sit there and pontificate about who “needs killin'”, then by God, you’d better be demonstrating a willingness to do the necessary your own damn self. I don’t think you ought to be able to vote for a declaration of war until and unless you’ve put your own ass on the line as an actual serving soldier. Never did time in uniform? You don’t get a vote on going to war. Ever.
I’d also, were it my decisions to make, set the military up such that you only got into the technical end of things via doing a successful tour as a basic combatant: You want technical training? Officer rank? Demonstrate success and proficiency as a private soldier in a rifle squad, tank, or artillery crew. Maybe a few other combat arms jobs would qualify; my criteria would be based on “likelihood to do direct combat”. You want non-combatant job? Prove your mettle as a combatant, first; we may need you to revert to basic rifleman, now and again.
I don’t think there’s any particular virtue to having been a soldier; just like I don’t think there’s any particular virtue to doing any job, anywhere. You are who you are; your character is the key thing. I’ve known some utter scumbags that made really good soldiers, some of whom were utterly sociopathic and who I wouldn’t trust to take care of a sick puppy. Great guys to have on missions, though… Point them at the enemy, stand back, and just hope that your name wasn’t mentioned for any war crimes they got up to outside your direct supervision.
I think a lot of people mistake Heinlein’s throwing up ideas against the wall for actual deep thought and consideration. I think he was spitballing, saying “What if…?” for the purposes of story-telling. As such, he could make whatever “just so” facts up out of whole cloth, and then spin them up in a charming confection of sweet-smelling narrative that a lot of people wanted to agree with and believe in.
Me? I’m working on being a writer myself, and I can identify bullshit at fairly long range. I once thought that Starship Troopers was a great book, and modeled a good deal of my life on the precepts laid out in it. However, coming out the other end of it all, I can now recognize that while there were some good points in there, there was also a hell of a lot of specious bullshit and wishful thinking.
To a degree, I think that the “levers of power” are things that ought to be kept far, far away from veterans and serving soldiers alike. I recognize in myself the fact that “Kill the sumbitch’…” is something that comes way too easily to me as a solution, and I don’t think that’s necessarily a recipe for “Good Civilization”. You need soldiers, like you need cops, but… You don’t want them running everything because the sort of people who’re good at those functions are a little too good at them, and all too likely to “commit excess”.
Which I just don’t trust, to be quite honest. I suspect that world run entirely along the lines of my own preferences and values might not be that pleasant a place to live in, and I doubt that I’d be treading the “highest path of wisdom”.
I do suspect that it’d be quite peaceful and law-abiding, however. Likely sparsely populated, though…
Starship Troopers was a cleverly-disguised dystopia.
Also the 1997 movie, altough very different form the book, caught that aspect.
@Dogwalker,
Dystopia? I would quibble about that… The usual dystopic elements just aren’t there, unless you wipe out nine-tenths of the background information in the book.
Or, you didn’t bother to read the damn thing in the first place.
Heinlein was a very odd duck, in a lot of ways. He seemed to be extremely pliable about beliefs I would take as being foundational; if you examine his work, compare it to who he was married to at the time, his wives had an apparently massive effect on his political beliefs and values… Which then leads to the natural question of “Whose beliefs are these, and did he actually have any of his own…?”
I don’t actually read any of Heinlein as “He believes and operates on this belief system…”, other than what he wrote about writing. He was a very mercenary sort, when it came to making his living; he had to be, having been medically retired on a pittance during the Depression. He literally had to sing for his supper, and he was damned good at it.
So, “reading into” his work? Huge mistake… He threw off ideas like a Roman candle; whether he’d have ever tried to make them “really real”? I doubt it; there’s a strong streak of pragmatism underneath it all. If there was ever an authorial self-insert as a character, it was probably Jubal Harshaw, the writer from Stranger in a Strange Land.
I think that there are some valuable points made in Starship Troopers, but they weren’t the ones most people scrape off the surface. The one thing I think was the biggest, and the one everyone misses, is that the crucial “thing going wrong” with our civilization is the failure to pass on and inculcate our system of values into both the young and the immigrant to our society; Heinlein’s idea of a “History and Moral Philosophy” requirement in schools and military training shows a means to ensure what we should be calling “cultural transmission”, a conscious mechanism that we don’t even bother to think about or ensure; our entire culture is “transmitted” as an afterthought, with zero systematic thought or conscious attempt at doing so. It’s left totally up to osmosis; we expect that kids are going to think the way we do, and leave them to be raised up by their peers, with whatever pop culture values are prevalent at the moment.
That point was one that you had to go a couple of layers deeper into the read of that book; it’s a rumination on “What’s going wrong…” in society, and if you look around you today, you’ll be horrified to recognize that Heinlein was excruciatingly prescient.
It’s his solutions to the problems that I find a bit… Off? Unlikely? I don’t have the automatic “veteran worship” reflex, knowing my fellow veterans and myself the way I do. I don’t think that service automatically confers virtue; to believe that is to mistake a surface symptom for underlying reality, and just like the idea that helping everyone buy a home will somehow automatically confer middle-class values and ethos on them, the idea that service creates virtue is just absolutely ‘effing bonkers and backwards.
Locally, we have one of these “sainted veterans” that Heinlein proposes having the sole rights to franchise that just killed his three daughters and his dog, in gruesome fashion. I can hear the helicopters overhead, looking for him, and the local authorities are out in force running him down. Is he a monster because he served? No; is he a saint? Equally, no. Service is meaningless when it comes to virtue and all the rest; a bad man who joins the Army will still be a bad man when he leaves it, and you are extremely unlikely to do anything at all influential changing that while he’s in, either.
Same nutbar stupidity shows up with people saying “Oh, little Timmy should join the Army, make a man of himself…”
Yeah, news flash for y’all: If you didn’t manage the feat during the 18 years you had him at home, I’m not gonna “make a man of him” in the short few months I have to train him during initial entry training or his early military career. He’s either a mensch when we get them, or he’s a scumbag. You did all that raising him, my civilian friends… My impact on his character, by the point I get him? Minimal.
This assclown who killed his own kids? I’ll lay you long odds that he had “issues” before he ever joined, and if they’d actually done their damn jobs and assessed him properly, he’d have never gotten in. His initial enlistment date was right there when they had the most trouble filling the ranks, and they were taking anything that demonstrated consistent breathing. I suspect his mental health was never the greatest, and that while the military didn’t do much to help, it also wasn’t responsible for breaking him, either.
Starship troopers, want to know more? Hee…
Re-introduce the Tribuzio.
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/tribuzio-ring-trigger-squeeze-pistol/
Could be like a staple gun, all sorts of things… Staple gun firing forward even.
Fn90 style mag…
Laser… Think “Hybrid” in vogue term, cow farts etc… The manual autos between the switch to autos from revolvers, the mechancial “auto” could combine, via using gas, etc, etc; by a way, point? Well if it can deliver. DELIVER! Something, owt really. Over what is available; I think it might – In certain, albeit limited, uses. But hey, horizons… See more.
When one needs a firearm there is often not time to mess with ‘packaging.’ It is like fumbling for a condom in heat of passion though with higher stakes. If you have a situation in mind like the military where one needs to draw weapons, the notion has a place maybe. If you’re fighting off home invaders, rather less so. Concealed carry, like with the Kevin pistol, not at all.
Antonin Zendl is still in the arms business. He produces small parts such as handgun sights and tuning parts for triggers. His business website can be found at http://www.zendl.cz
I saw Chezch and “Kevin” in the video title and thought it was some CZ from Hognose’s personal stash.
Not incorrect. The late Hognose had one in his collection and wrote a blog entry on it. The name Kevin in Czech apparently had unsavory connotations.
Your fire extinguisher designs are a hundred and a half years old, the New Departure and Le Gaulois. As long as you stay inside arm’s length, they are exactly what you are talking about. (Modern materials and ammunition, and shield the cylinder.)
Not for “gun people”, who insist on long range hitting capability. But for the instant self defense community, just what’s wanted.
It is “what is wanted” by the instant self-defense community until someone loses a high profile fight to an opponent with distance capability. If you have gear designed for very specific situations you are screwed when the shit that happens is not the shit you prepared for.
The other day/week, whatever; I spouted perhaps a bit of a “Waffle” I had been drinking “Unsurpringly, maybe.” However! I thought upon watching that Haenel Stg video, well… I veered off; almost spontaneously, into a thinking about how to convert that to a form of gas delay (As I do, as anyone would if it was 1944 and you was a German.) Quite, it isn’t and I am English. “Interesting time; desperate folk – thinking about designs etc, seems to have made folk quite industrious.” Anyway! Losing my train of thought… See this gun, well imagine it has a Browning style tilting barrel. The Stg had a bolt/gas system. Right… But in away, I meant: Imagine the above, ok; there is now, attached to the top of the Browning style tilting link barrel a further (Tilting link, style; gas piston.) aye, attached to the top of the barrel. Indeed. The end of said piston sits in a gas block eh, which in this example is infront of the slide of said Kevin. Ok. Now! BANG!!! Slide wants to recoil – Case pressing against it – Gas goes via port, into said block; hits piston… Piston imparts a downward motion on tilting barrel, which delays it from tilting and thus prevents the slide opening; until the piston can move forward – Which it could when the bullet left the barrel – Pfffart… “Gas there infront of piston, exiting block via port into barrel & out of muzzle.” Just saying, it was basically that. Still thinking about it, some issues. But as I said compared to the Steyr Aug trigger Guard Nazi inverted stubby gas piston design, we would get a bit of mechanical disadavantage along with the “impact” of the gas. Burp, ok the Kevin… It has 2 side mounted recoil springs, well it could have two of ze above gas pistons in theory. And still eject, just saying.
Aye it would fit in a staple gun…
With the staple gun, your hand is also producing impetus; which could be, utilised… In regards, aiding the delay of “Opening” in order to eject etc.
Why? Well say you could make a “Kevin” sized gun, in 9x19mm that was… Tiny, more tiny than having a pistol grip etc like a Flintlock.
Short range like, eh, hee… Big silencer, whats not to like. Hee…
“(…)Big silencer(…)”
Observed that it needs volume to work correctly, which would result in additional bulk, which is counterproductive if you want to create weapon as compact as possible.
Can see (Aghast gun) potential there, gast gun the staple guns wee units.
As wee combined unit things… Meh…
Recoil instead ones hand, stuff…
Short actions… Scratch…
Mk108, twin thing… Double the firing rate… Eject the gun…
“(…)Aghast gun(…)”
What is this?
“(…)Eject the gun(…)”
What do you mean by that?
And it is more or less the same thing “This is for my own brain; it is, because the bolt in the Stg, is the barrel in this.” thus… Right. He he.
Right’ish; bring the port back… Anyhoo, fine. That solved it, basically.