The pre-war Beretta Model 38A was a magnificent SMG, but it included a fair number of fancy elements that would prove to costly to justify once wartime production needs grew. Beretta would simplify the design progressively over the course of the war. What we have today is a Model 38/42 with a much simpler fixed-firing-pin bolt and a smooth barrel without jacket.
Is the 38/42 as nice to use as the original 38A? In my opinion, no – but it’s pretty close. The Beretta 38 family in all its iterations are excellent guns.
Is there any count of how many ended up in German hands?
If someone was firing at you, with the M38a; or Mp40 I think firing back with the Ppsh in the link, would…
Terminate the non Ppsh users. In the heat of battle, conscripts or otherwise on both sides. Regardless of equal numbers, or not. A dying person with a Ppsh could still deliver accurate death, spray.
So in my opinion the Ppsh is the far better gun; they may have just stumbled across, as oppose intended it entirely.
I once read U.S folk in Korea said the Ppsh was a major “Bitch” now, I doubt the same would have been said of an Mp40 or similar with it’s “controllable” rpm.
So. Why is that; It is because of the Russian stuffs very high rate of fire.
The way to look at these guns is, say someone shot you in thigh with a Mp40.
Well the revenge burst with the Ppsh is going to count more than vice versa.
And they were shot in the thigh by the hundreds of thousands. And thus…
Or lower bowl, so on.
Conscript one handed revenge burst via a Ppsh. One German infantryman was no longer worth ten Russian untrained folk, because they were dead. By consript 1200rpm burst fire, as they themselves toppled over and so on.
Different you see to k98 vs Mosin scraps, just different.
“(…)one handed revenge burst via a Ppsh(…)”
PPSh with loaded drum magazine weighted 5,45 kg with loaded banana magazine 4,3 kg, which hints that it is ill-suited for such kind of usage. If you need rapid-firing 7,62×25 mm sub-machine gun for such role then consider using пистолет-пулемет Пушкина see 1st image from top https://kalashnikov.media/article/weapons/otchet-strelkovogo-poligona-pistolet-pulemet-pushkina
How do you define “Mosin scraps” exactly?
“(…)major “Bitch” now(…)”
I do not know if that is 1950s U.S. way of expressing appreciation, but I suggest to be careful regarding assessment of enemy weapon, as it might be below or above reality.
“(…)doubt the same would have been said of an Mp40(…)”
Said or not, captured MP 40 were used by Workers’ Peasants’ Red Army see
I see these modern warfare ad’s for computer games on telly; with small arms, and really feel like saying.
But your going to be shelled the fuck out of by the Russians. Artillery. Your shitty game, leaves far to much room for hero’s instead of you all just being mincemeat to heavy guns.
But meh, and so it goes on; young men, young fat men nowadays on screens… Who one day, doubtless will get there chance to be a hero, in front of Russian artillery.
“(…)young fat men(…)”
Are you aware that beyond certain weight males are considering not fit for service e.g. https://www.forces.net/services/army/all-you-need-know-about-british-armys-fitness-standards claims that
To join the Army (over 18) you will need a BMI between 18-28 and for those under the age of 18 it’s between 28-30.
Males (over 18) may still be considered following additional assessments between the range 28-32…
Until the shooting starts. Standards have a way of disappearing when the bullets fly. I had an uncle who fought as an infantryman in Europe in WW2. He wore glasses, but was told not to worry, “We’ll get you a seeing eye dog”. Ever hear of McNamara’s Hundred Thousand? Mental Category Fours – totally unfit for military service – drafted to fight in Vietnam. (https://alethonews.com/2019/11/02/robert-mcnamaras-infamous-project-100000-and-the-vietnam-war/#:~:text=This%20was%20%E2%80%9CProject%20100%2C000%E2%80%9D%2C%20a%20US%20military%20program,as%20part%20of%20President%20Johnson%E2%80%99s%20%E2%80%98War%20on%20Poverty%E2%80%99.) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000)
Oh brother…. What’s he trying to say?
That 7.62x25mm is a better Smg round Klaus.
As oppose 9mm that you have to try, to keep on target; with a army of consripts.
Why try, spray; 7.62x25mm kills them.
“(…)7.62x25mm is a better Smg round(…)”
Italian 9×19 mm sub-machine gun cartridge used in 1940s was not slacker, e.g. http://www.nazarian.no/wep.asp?id=1024&group_id=4&country_id=355&lang=0 gives MAB 38/44 Muzzle Velocity as 429 m/s, whilst this is less than Soviet 7,62×25 keep in mind that bullet is heavier.
Don’t worry about the spamming poster, he’s probably just drunk.
Fuck Ukraine how long are we expected to put up with this ridiculous farce for exactly? They are all going to freeze, have half a country left, and even more shitloads die/leave.
For what. I can’t afford a pissing foriegn cleaner, as a good ex E.U member.
Fuck off. Blunderbuss cunt.
“No they’ll win the st Ukraimians” we have Joe retard Biden and that Blond wig twat who bankrupted everyone.
Fuck off, whats that in Jap?
I had a premonition. On day one of tbe 24/7 media bullshit telly.
Aye, said what about day 4357.
Bollocks. They are well fucked, fact.
“(…)whats that in Jap(…)”
Please explain how JAPAN is entangled with previously described situation, as this is not clear for me.
Eviscerate their never regions with 7.62x25mm. Why use 9mm; just because the Luger did.
Was that aimed at me; charming, I must say.
7.62x25mm is a better round, in an smg; and overweight game players are due to be slaughtered by Russian heavy guns.
Tell me where I am going wrong; in Japanese. He he.
Spamming poster? Ten cans of wd40 and a stick… 6 taped around, grenade stick at you. Lower deck attacker.
And a blunderbuss. Oh that hurt.
“(…)Russian heavy guns.(…)”
How do you define that exactly? Also why not rocket, free-fall bomb or other weapon?
Historically, artillery (guns, howitzers and mortars) was the greatest killer on the battlefield in the 20th century. Bill Mauldin wrote in his book, Up Front, that the infantry hated indirect fire because it was so random. You could be the platoon dud, standing around in the open and live while the enemy scores a direct hit on the guy who is in a superbly camouflaged, built exactly the way the manual says fighting position. It’s called dispersion and doesn’t care whether you are an Olympic athlete or Mister Four by Four.