When I filmed this, I had limited time and figured I would do the shooting first and then film the history and disassembly of the gun afterwards. Alas, I ran out of time and never did get that part completed. I will follow up with a video on the history of the Sjogren the next time I have access to one, but I think the shooting footage worth posting by itself. Also, please note that I did not have my proper high speed camera on this trip (I had not anticipated being able to shoot anything!) and so we used an iPhone slow motion function instead. Happily, the Sjogren operates slowly enough for that substitution to still work decently.
Anyway, the Sjogren is a very unusual system, an internally-locked semiauto shotgun developed by a Swedish inventor and produced in Copenhagen. A rifle variation of the system was tested by a few militaries but never put into production. A few thousand of the shotguns were made and sold commercially prior to World War One. You can find more information on them in my full article.
As I say in the video, I found the Sjogren to be a quite pleasant shotgun to shoot, especially for being chambered for 12ga shells. I had a Walther toggle-locked shotgun out at the range the same day, and the contrast between the two was quite significant!
Carl Axel Theodor Sjogren according to patent.
Patented in U.S.A. as AUTOMATIC GUN namely US739732A granted 1903
Tack så mycket!
Thanks for bringing us another unusual/rare firearm and taking the time to test fire it, which makes it all the more informative. My patreon dollars are always well spent with you. Also thanks for including the U.S. patent.
The bolt holding back on each round is fairly common on semi-automatic tube fed shotguns. Mr. Browning built that into his Auto-5. The reason is that shot shells, with their heavy lead charges don’t want to move very fast out of the magazine tube, and the magazine tube spring can only be so strong or you couldn’t load it, so the chances of the shell not getting in place to be fed is great. What happens is a mechanism holds the bolt open each time it goes back, so it waits there for the shell to come back into position, at which time the base of the cartridge releases the bolt to go forward.
“(…)Sjogren operates slowly(…)”
I want to point one matter not mentioned – most of 1890s shotshells have paper bodies, unlike modern polymer ones. This mean that in dawn of 20th century self-loading shotgun designer need to make them to cycle in more delicate/smooth manner that modern self-loading shotguns are supposed to (c.f. Browning Auto-5 of similar era).
Design for what you have ON HAND, not what you WISH to have. Unless you’re looking to reinvent the entire shotgun shell’s construction (assuming early 20th century person), don’t design the gun for harsh extraction.
Is this similar to the benelli series of shotguns? Because mine uses an inertial system as well.
Yes: the mechanical realization is different, but the basic principle is exactly the same.
Owning one Sjögren shotgun (and having fired it), I am eagerly waiting for your disassembly video, Ian.
Greetings from France. 😉
Most semi-automatic firearms have a recoil impulse when the recoiling parts strike the rear of their limit of travel. They also get a second recoil impulse when the recoiling pieces move back into battery. Spreading them out over time makes it seem like two 1X recoil impulses, instead of one 2X recoil impulse. Of course constant recoil guns where the bolt velocity drops to zero at the rearmost of its travel have 1X = 2X = 0 recoil impulse. For those more interested use your favorite search engine to look for elastic vs. inelastic collisions. Or look at Ian’s video on the Lahti anti material rifle for another example of what I’m talking about.
Quite a common shotgun at gunshows here in France I imagine that it was sold by the manufacture d’ armes in st etienne.
Max Popenker opines that the inertial bolt system doesn’t work for a high pressure cartridge like found in rifles. Do you know if the test and evaluation report for the Sjogren rifle in the Pattern Room still exists? It does seem like an incredibly elegant system for a self-loader.
Excepting long recoil, the task of cocking the action and ejecting the empty case are all done through simple blowback elements that is gained momentum and residual gas which remaining short in inertial system by cause of its; Double step first collecting and then discharging with wastes momentum and small amount of residual gas through the fact of leaving projectile in this rather long responcing time. Therefore if ; The bolt carrier not being of biggest mass possible, the other parts of gun being not of smallest mass possible, the case being of overbottlenecked, mass of projectile rather big and the elasticity of energy collecting unit over standart… The possibility of inertial system in rifles seems impossible.
“(…)inertial system in rifles(…)impossible(…)”
Sjogren apparently did not agree with such hypothesis because:
We all know Sjogren first tried its working system in rifles which the features of its cartridge was unknown and later applied it to shotguns which should be lower muzzle velocity. A service rifle working sometimes should not be interesting for purchasers. It should work in all times. Its initial round might be black powdered or another kind of propeller and projectile might be overweighted which all delivering slow muzzle velocity which unacceptable in todays standarts. We also should remember that, Mauser whose experimental inertial rifles worked in single step working sequence rather than Sjogren’s two step and giving more shorter responce time, found unsatisfactory.
50 Years ago I saw the first Sjögren shotgun described in a book and I never lost interest in this weapon. Six years ago I could buy one and tried to hunt ducks with it. That failed, because the gun shoots a little bit too low and right. But I like it very much. Benelli took the technique of the Sjögren, built it into a modern selfloading shotgun frame and sells it under the name Vinci. Its just the same function principle in a modern shotgun.
I love these shotguns which is good because I have three of them.
A few thousand of the shotguns were made and sold commercially prior to World War One.
Nice publication. Thanks for sharing! I want people to know how good this information is in your article. It’s interesting content.
Hello. Does anyone know were i can get one of these Sjögren Inertial Shotgun?
Hi. Yes selling our Sjögren Inertial Shotgun in Australia.
Wonderful, how much does it cost and is it possible to ship it to Sweden?
I live in the UK and I have three Sjogren shotguns and they were all purchased at auction. They come up for sale quite often but you have to go to the auction house websites and open an account and set auction alerts.
From your reply it seems that you are in Sweden. If i was you I would register with lazuritz.com which is an auction house in Denmark and I have seen them on there regular.
If you purchased one on there you would have very little shipping costs and with you both being in Europe there should be less legal paperwork.
Make sure if you set an auction alert that you use the wording below as this should narrow down your search
Automat System Sjogren Patent Shotgun
Good luck with your search and I would be interested to hear how you get on.
Tank you very much for the useful information. I will be back with my progress.
I have asked Ian to pass on my email address for private communication or you may get in contact with http://www.australianfinearms.com.au
Tank you. I will get in touch.
Joanne advised you that we have a 12 gauge Sjogren for sale in Australia. It is a 12 gauge in good working order and fair to good condition. Probably a 6 or 7 out of 10. It has a very small amount of v light pitting / frosting inside the barrel. It has British proof marks. I am a Licenced Firearms Dealer & have not come across one before in Australia. I would estimate it’s value as approx (Australian) $900 (about 600 Euro). Due to the low number of international flights at the moment, cartage fees are higher than usual. Normally transport costs would be approx $ 600, plus customs clearance fees at your end..
I have seen them sold for approx 600 to 800 BP. Through Rock Island (USA) for about US $ 800.
Thank you very much. Just what I am looking for. I will get in touch with you via http://www.australianfinearms.com.au, if thats ok, where you will get my email adress.
I used to own a Sjögren pistol (and shot it) but I’ve lost it now, I’m eagerly awaiting your disassembly video, A handgun quite popular at shootings in France Great, how much does it cost and can it be shipped to France?