Yesterday we looked at where the Hogue Avenger came from and how it works; today I’m out at the range to test it out against a nicely customized M1911…
Semiauto pistol
LAR Grizzly: A 1911 on .45 Winchester Magnum Steroids
Developed in the early 1980s by Perry Arnett, the LAR Grizzly was manufactured from 1983 until 1998. It was an expensive gun (base price was $675 in 1985), a huge gun (48oz / 1.36kg), and […]
Bolt Action Rifles
6mm Navy Straight Pull: The 1895 Lee Navy Rifle
Lot 3311 in the September 2019 RIA auction. The US Navy held a trial in 1894 to adopt a new rifle, one to finally replace the .45-70 black powder Trapdoor Springfield. The rifle was to […]
Revolver
The S&W No.3 Russian Model Made at Tula in Russia
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If this was a systemic issue how could they possibly have missed it during testing and development?
We should always be careful to draw conclusions about the reliability of a model from a single, used, sample.
Even more in this case, since that’s a slide assembly destined to be mounted on a “standard” frame. Does every 1911 slide assembly work flawlessly on every frame?
@Matisse Enzer,
Too many variables to say. This failure might be due to the ammo Ian was using, could be the magazines, could be a lot of things.
Designing guns is hard. Converting existing guns to new calibers and/or modifying them to use different sorts of operating principles ain’t easy, and the amount of development you’re looking at is massive.
Take a look at the process by which the M1911 came about in the first place… Over on C&Rsenal, they go in-depth on every one of the design waypoints from concept to issue, and then there’s the M1911A1 plus all the civilian development that went into that platform. Wringing all the oddities out of a semi-auto design isn’t easy, and it takes a full-blown developmental fielding and testing cycle to even begin to make something worthwhile. M16 ring any bells, for that…?
I’m not surprised there were problems feeding, which I kinda went “Uh-oh…” at yesterday when Ian described how they’d changed the barrel placement and feed ramp. First thing went through my mind? “How’d they do that with the standard magazines…?”
M1911 design is a well-known beast, by this point. Most good gunsmiths know exactly how to wring the most out of them, and one of the things they’ll tell you about tuning one for feeding is just how critical that feed ramp angle and magazine are to proper reliability. I’ve seen friend’s with “Race Guns” who went through hell getting them to work right, and had to resort to a custom selection of fitted magazines to feed even ball ammo reliably.
Firearms design ain’t easy. Modify existing ones at your peril…
I was a bit shocked when Ian disassembled the pistol and a little piece dropped out that acted as the feed ramp. Then I got to wondering if there were different pieces to work with different lowers. The setup Ian had may have to wrong configuration of the piece.
How very true. Does anyone remember a kit that was created in the 1970’s to allow multiple top ends and calibers on the basic 1911 frames. I don’t recall all the calibers, but there was a .22 lr, 7.63 Luger, 9mm Luger, .38 Super, and several wild cat options based on the .45 ACP case as well as the .45 Auto. I read about it in one of the gun magazines and never heard anything more. The Hogue shows the difficulty of any changes to the basic design being extremely problematic. Imagine the engineering nightmare of the multi caliber kit.
Guns & Ammo, had a piece about 1982 or 1983, putting different colt slides, barrels and magazines onto a 1911 frame.
Nice try, though complex-impractical. A short piston might work. Doubt if I can get a prototype. Perhaps I’ll try. Appreciate your evaluations.