AS Val, VSS Vintorez, OTs-14 Groza, and more: 9x39mm with Max Popenker

Today we welcome back Max Popenker of to discuss the Soviet and Russian development of the 9x39mm suppressed rifle cartridge. From the early unsuccessful and sidetracked efforts to replace the PBS suppressor through the AMB-17 currently in development by the Kalashnikov Concern, we will discuss the AS Val, VSS Vintorez, OTS-14 Groze, SR-3, SR-3M, VSK-94, and more!


  1. “(…)OTS-14 Groze(…)”
    OTs-14 Groza. Meaning storm or thunderstorm; also phonetically similar to у гроза that is threat or danger or menace or hazard or risk.

    If you want to know how did look that sub-sonic cartridge based on 5,45×39 see 1st image from top (click to enlarge):

    Vintorez means “thread-cutter” (machine which cuts threads [in barrel]), this named appeared in 1983, according to data in above link. Obfuscate names are nothing new in military-industry, but this one is far less imaginative, if I could say so, than 1950s British names – like for example GREEN CHEESE anti-shipping missile or PINK HAWK air-to-air missile

  2. Is it just me or does Russia have an obsession with silently terrorizing people to death with its special forces? Just kidding!

  3. Clearly, the are two mutually independent concepts how to achieve kill at a medium to extended range. One is of course with fast flying low drag bullet and other is with slower but mighty punch. Which one is better? It probably all depends on tactical situation.

    The Russians mastered the latter, as it seems. And it started with KGB’s and security, not military’s request. Isn’t that funny?

    • It also seems to be a good way of borrowing development from a different department. “If better solution is found in roommate’s homework, and we are not explicitly instructed to do assignment solo, can we collaborate?”

      • Yes, you are correct. And it also shows that on background of complexity of internal events and developments, the U.S. and Russia are not that far apart. It is likely that similar is development in heavy weapons area.

        Let’s just watch the current NGSW event. No one will loose. No worry, taxpayer foots the bill as always.

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