With the Bergmann No.3 proving to be a popular pistol and commercial success, Bergmann and Louis Schmeisser made another attempt to break into the military market. This was done by adapting the No.3 to use a larger 8mm cartridge. This modification was fairly simple, requiring basically just a new barrel. The 8mm was based on the 6.5mm case, using the same head diameter and virtually identical overall length. This allowed the same boltface to be used, and the same size magazine. One side effect was that the No.4’s cartridge was much less tapered than previous Bergmann cartridges (and not bottlenecked), but this does not appear to have caused any reliability problems.

Only a one or two hundred No.4 Bergmann pistols were made (and they were numbered in the same series as the No.3, making an exact count impossible), as the new cartridge was still too weak to interest military commissions. I have been unable to find bullet weight and velocity specifications on the round, although you can see dimensional specs at Municion.org (and also specs on an even rarer 7.5mm variant). The small production of No.4 pistols makes it a very rare cartridge, and further confuse issues, it appears to have been capable of using the later 8mm Simplex cartridge as well. The original No.4 cartridge used a 22mm long case, while the later Simplex used an 18mm case. When the 8×22 ammunition was no longer produced, it is likely that pistol owners would have switched to using the slightly more available 8×18 cartridges. At any rate, based on the other Bergmann ammo and the size of the 8×22 case, it is a reasonable supposition that the 8mm Bergmann would have been roughly equivalent to the .32 ACP in power.

Beyond these cartridge changes, the No.4 was identical to the No.3 Bergmann. When it became apparent that the design would not meet military requirements, development proceeded on to the No.5 design, which would introduce a locked breech to allow a significantly stronger cartridge.

Technical Specs

Caliber: 8x22mm Bergmann
Clip Capacity: 5 rounds
Overall Length: 10.0 in (255mm)
Barrel Length: 4.5 in (114mm)
Weight: 33.5 oz (950g)
Action: Straight blowback


Ezell, Edward C. Handguns of the World. Stackpole Books, New York, 1981.

Reinhart, Christian and am Rhyn, Michael. Fastfeuerwaffen II.

Wilson, R.K. Textbook of Automatic Pistols. Samworth, 1934 (reprinted by Wolfe Publishing, Prescott AZ, 1990).


We have photos of two No.4 pistols, one from James D Julia and one from Horst Held. In addition, I found reference to two others, with serial numbers 2437 and 3125. Note that in both photographed examples here, the barrels are marked “156/14”. As with the similar markings on the No.2 and No.3, I do not know the significance of these numbers. They do seem to make a good way to identify caliber without having to measure the muzzle, though…

Here is the Julia pistol, from the Schroeder collection. This is a late production pistol, and the backstrap of the grip is slotted for a shoulder stock:

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Bergmann No.4 pistol in 8x22mm Bergmann
Note “156/14” marking and early style barrel lug

Bergmann No.4 pistol in 8x22mm Bergmann

Bergmann No.4 pistol in 8x22mm Bergmann
Note late production serial number

And here is the pistol displayed by Horst Held:

Bergmann No.4 pistol in 8x22mm Bergmann Bergmann No.4 pistol in 8x22mm Bergmann Bergmann No.4 pistol in 8x22mm Bergmann

Bergmann No.4 pistol in 8x22mm Bergmann
Note later style threaded barrel

Bergmann No.4 pistol in 8x22mm Bergmann Bergmann No.4 pistol in 8x22mm Bergmann


  1. Hi Ian,

    I’ve also mentioned this on YouTube but I know how busy the comments can be and this is only a guess but could the /14 denote a 14 grain black powder charge? It seems to me quite contemporary for instance the 8mm French Ordnance at 12.2 grains of black powder, well according to Wiki.

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  3. 156/14 is the gauge of the bore (not groove) diameter, 156.14 gauge translating into .310″, in the same sense of 12 gauge or 20 gauge for shotguns. This awkward system was adopted by the British in their proof law of 1868 that Germany then also used in their first proof law of 1891.

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