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Chinese “Jingal” Wall Gun

“Jingal” was the name the British gave to both Indian and Chinese rampart guns used from the 1700s up until World War II. The guns were originally muzzle loaders, used in fixed defensive emplacements. They had exceptionally long barrels (60″ or more), and were used to fire off rampart walls as a sort of precision artillery. The very long sight radius gave them better practical accuracy than smaller shoulder rifles, and the large calibers used were effective at long range. The massive size of these pieces is hard to describe:

Ian with a .60 caliber Chinese "Jingal" wall gun

Ian with a .60 caliber Chinese “Jingal” wall gun

This particular gun is one of the more common types to be found today, a single-shot bolt action in .60 caliber (others were also made in .75 caliber). The gun has a rear sight adjustable for elevation and a dovetail for the missing front sight. The mechanism is a simple interrupted thread at the back of the bolt. The extractor, firing pin, and trigger mechanism are all typical of Mauser type rifles. This rifle most likely dates from the late 1880s or 1890s.

The cartridge is a slightly tapered and slightly bottlenecked black powder design, using an unjacketed lead bullet. Here is an example, with a 7.62x54R and .50 BMG for comparison:

.60 Jingal cartridge (7.62x54R and .50 BMG for comparison)

.60 Jingal cartridge (7.62x54R and .50 BMG for comparison)

Our friend Bin Shih was kind enough to translate the marking on the receiver, which read “Produced by Tien Jin South Bureau Arsenal in the year of Bing Shen [1896] of Emperor Gung Xu”. The Tien Jin arsenal produced many Jingal rifles, which may be due in part to the presence of Western troops there during the Boxer rebellion.

Photos

Chinese Jingal wall gun in .60 caliber (click here to download at high resolution):

28 comments to Chinese “Jingal” Wall Gun

  • Art W

    When I look at that – all I can think of is that movie High Road to China with Tom Sellack. I think a few of those wound up in Florida back in the last century for bird hunting.

  • Hrachya Hayrapetyan

    Is there any ballistic data of this breast (bullet weight, MV, ME etc.)?

    • Devina Invidia

      the bullet itself is interchangeable for 20 gauge slugs, it is also a black powder weapon. this gun can do beastly damage but the munitions are very very rare and have to be specially made as nobody makes the brass for these monsters anymore except when their made from scratch.

      • If anyone reading this has a Jingal and wants to reload for it, it is very important to slug your barrel to determine the actual bore diameter. Sons of Guns does not have the time or audience interest to go into much detail, but these vintage guns can vary significantly in bore size (aside from there being Jingals in both .60 and .75 nominal calibers), and it is likely that the slugs used on the show had to be swaged slightly to reach the proper size. Failure to do this could result in excessive pressures, potentially dangerously excessive pressures.

  • Hrachya Hayrapetyan

    *beast :)

  • S. A. Tilisu

    How much would this weigh?

  • COLEEN VALDEZ

    SAW ONE OF THESE AT KNOB CREEK GUN SHOW COUPLE YEARS AGO. WANTED ONE EVER SINCE. SAW SOME IN CHINA IN MUSEUMS. IS IT LEGAL TO BUY AND IS ANYONE SELLING? ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE ANTIQUE REPLICAS ETC. HOW WOULD I GET STARTED IN THIS. BEEN WORKING WITH HAND AND POWER TOOLS SINCE VERY YOUNG, HAVE MY OWN GRINDERS, CUTTERS ETC. ANY HELP?

  • Bill Miller

    I had one of these 30 years ago, with several rounds of original ammunition. The bore measured 1.025″ and was rifled. The bolt and action used an interrupted thread, similar to the example. The piece was 78″ overall. Weight was 42 lbs.
    The cartridge case was 4.01″ in length,rimmed, made of brass.Primed with a 1/4″ diameter Berdan primer.
    The projectile was 1.04″ in diameter, 1.19″ in length, with a full diameter round nose. Weight was 1.25 ounces.
    Propellant was apparently black powder, hand formed into 1/8″ cubes. Never weighed the charge.
    Lathe turned some reduced capacity cases out of solid brass stock that would take 100grs of Fg black powder, a shotgun primer and a 1″ diameter lead ball, paper patched to 1.4″.
    Firing at 100 yds I could keep all shots on an 8 1/2″ x 11″ target.
    The piece is long gone and so are the cartridges, which sold for $75.00 each.
    It was a head tuner at the local rifle range.

    As far as manufacturing an example of the rifle, be sure to have the approval of the BATF, in writing,I’m sure this will fall under the “distructive device” category.

  • Jon Roche

    HOLY S***! THAT THING IS HUGE!

  • George

    have any video or additional pictures for it? or can you shoot this crazy s**t?

  • Jason

    Hello Ian
    Just viewed your web site. I am in the process of obtaining a Chinese “Jingal” Wall Gun. I am just wondering whether you are able to give me some advices on value of this type of rifles
    Thanks in advance
    Jason

  • What Guns

    Hey Art. The ones used for bird hunting were called punt guns and as far as i know were shotguns. Mount em on a boat and wipe out a whole flock in one shot.

  • Thomas

    The recoil on that thing must have been a real bitch

    • Well, yes and no. It’s a pretty big cartridge, but it’s also a pretty heavy gun. I don’t know what the ballistics on the cartridge were, but it was still black powder – so I wouldn’t be surprised it it was actually relatively comfortable to shoot (if not to hold up).

    • Devina Invidia

      Tbhe recoil as seen on Sons of Guns was really no greater than that of a .30-06. Both the customer that brought it in and the gunshop owner that cleaned and made rounds from scratch for it shot it and they didn’t seem to be pushed back or hammered by recoil atall. Remember, these were shot by Chinese soldiers and not to poke fun, as I’ve been in the orient for 3 years, they’re not a very tall bunch. You’d expect it’d send them flying but no. Both the black powder load and weight greatly reduce the recoil but betting this gun would be fun as all hell to shoot. Wish I had one myself!

  • Thomas W.

    Hello, would you please take a couple extra pictures of this rifle? I’m interested in a profile view of the gun on a background (both sides), just to show the firearm as a whole.

    I apologize if this sounds picky, but for the side pictures, please try to have it as straight as possible. It doesn’t matter much for the picture of the sight, I just need to know what it looks like.

    I’m a 3D artist, and I do most of my work based on profile images of my projects used as backgrounds. If the image is slanted a bit from the program’s grid, I’ll be able to manage. The rest of your images show pretty much all other details that I’d need.

  • Charles

    I am curious about the value of a weapon like this. Any thoughts?

  • sksguide

    Since this was made in 1896, it is an antique under BATF standards. the shells being larger than .50 caliber might be a problem . But what an interesting piece of history.

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  • Niall

    Hi all. My dad has one of these rifles. Was passed on to him by his great uncle who used it in the guerrilla war against The Black And Tans in Ireland in the early part of the 1900s. It is huge and weighs quite a lot. It is for sale but is not in great condition.

  • Hsu

    “Tien Jin South Bureau Arsenal” later the arsenal actually produced some good quality weapons for the Chinese military during the second wold war

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