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Experimenting with the Quadcopter

My new quadcopter camera arrived a few days ago, and I’ve been getting some practice flying it and experimenting with different camera angles and type of shots. Here’s a brief compilation of the progress so far:

Vintage Saturday: Testing

West German soldier test firing an Armalite AR-10 (designated G4) during trial at Meppen in 1957

This rifle is too light and svelte. Let’s wait 50 years until it gets popular again with a couple pounds more rail.

West German soldier test firing a Dutch-made Armalite AR-10 (designated G4) during trial at Meppen in 1957. It lost out to the G1 FAL, which in turn was replaced by the H&K G3 when licensing issues developed for the FAL.

Russian RG-6 Grenade Launcher and German Repair Depot Footage

Something new and something old today…

RG-6 40mm grenade launcher

RG-6 40mm grenade launcher

From long-time contributor Hrachya, we have a Russian manual for the RG-6 grenade launcher. This is a pretty recent design, having gone into production in the 1990s. It fires the same 40mm caseless grenades used by the older GP-25 underbarrel unit found mounted on AK rifles, and has a 6-round rotary cylinder. The cylinder is manually wound up during loading, like the Manville gas gun or the modern US/South African Milkor grenade launcher. In fact, the RG-6 appears to be largely (although not entirely) copied from the Milkor. I had a chance to visit the factory where those are manufactured, and you can see the tour here:

At any rate, this RG-6 manual is all in Russia, with a handful of diagrams and photos towards the back for those of us who can’t read it. Thanks, Hrachya!

RG-6 Manual (Russian)

RG-6 Manual (Russian)

For folks who aren’t interested in something that new, I also have a neat piece of video showing artillery being repaired in a German WWI arms repair depot in 1916. Posted by the Bundesarchiv (a fantastic collection of wartime photography), it comes to us form Keith, via a post at PracticalMachinist.com.


Book Review: United States Martial Pistols and Revolvers

United States Martial Pistols and Revolvers, by Arcadi GluckmanPre-WWI American handguns are an area that I am pretty weak in, and I’m working to remedy that. One of the initial resources I picked up was Arcadi Gluckman’s United States Martial Pistols and Revolvers. Originally printed in 1939, it is a pretty good reference for the title subject – especially considering the price.

Arcadi Gluckman was a retired Colonel of the US Army, and an avowed “gun crank” (“gun nut,” we would say today) who saw a need for a good reference on American military handguns and decided to write it himself. The result was a remarkably well rounded book – each chapter includes some initial historical context, the relationship between the government and the various arms manufacturers, and then detailed information on each firearm, including dimensions and markings. The book was reprinted without significant changes through the 1960s – my 1977 copy of Flayderman’s Guide refers to it as “the basic guidebook to the field.”

The biggest shortcoming is the illustrations. The book contains 29 photographic plates (all at the end), each showing four to six different pistols. Each pistol is presented only once, so you never get to see both sides, and the pictures are black and white and fairly small. It is only because of the quality of the gun descriptions that the poor photographs are not a hindrance in trying to identify a particular piece.

The book is divided into two parts – single shot pistols and repeaters. The single shot section is further divided into chapters on flintlocks, percussion pistols, cartridge pistols, and secondary martial pistols. The first three of those are obvious (and the single shot cartridge pistol chapter is quite short, containing just three Remingtons and a single Springfield experimental model), but the fourth is worth explaining. Gluckman defines primary martial pistols as ones which were made by government arsenals or under major contract for standard issue to military forces. That, of course, leaves a great many designs made in much smaller numbers on emergency contracts, in hope of military sale, or for individual states or militias – those are the secondary martial pistols. While not of the large-scale historical importance like the standard-issue designs, those secondaries are just as interesting (often more interesting, in my opinion) to the collector and scholar. Gluckman includes more than 40 of these secondary single shot designs, including ones like the Hall breechloading pistols (both bronze and iron) and Lindsay two-shot percussion pistol. The information presented on the secondary guns is, understandably, much less detailed than that on the primary issue models.

The second section of the book, as I said, covers repeaters – revolvers and semiautomatic handguns. Let me begin by touching on the semiauto chapter. It is short, perfunctory, and really of minimal value. It has one short page each on the Grant-Hammond and Savage (more information on both is readily available on the ‘net today), and nothing on the Remington M53. The sections on the Colt 1902 and 1911 are fine, but today there are a plethora of outstanding resources on these (and the other Colt automatic variants), and Gluckman has nothing to add to them. And that’s fine, really – the reason to have this book is for its coverage of the older guns, not the semiautos.

There are two chapters on revolvers, splitting them between percussion guns and cartridge guns. The major designs (Colt and S&W) have a fair bit of information, while most of the others (several dozen of them) have about a page each. As with the first section of the book, each of those entries include mechanical specifications as well as typical markings.

Overall, I find United States Martial Pistols and Revolvers to be a good introductory reference to its subject. It provides a very useful overview of the pistol development and military use in the United States, which can be then followed up with more detailed research on individual makes and models. Without a high-altitude overview like Gluckman’s, it is difficult to know where to begin on the subject, and how much significance each particular gun should be credited with. The best part is that while it is long out of print today, there are plenty of copies available on Amazon as cheap as $5 plus shipping. At that price, there is absolutely no reason not to add this volume to your library.

North China Type 19

Many years prior to the attack on the US Navy that marks the beginning of World War II for the United States, the Empire of Japan had invaded China. This war of occupation was a massive effort on the part of Japan’s military, involving more than 2 million troops at its height. When the war spread into the Pacific in 1941, the siphoning off of seasoned troops to fight on the new front presented a significant logistical problem of the Imperial Army – how could it maintain the necessary troop strength in China while also fighting the Americans? The answer was to increase the use of native Chinese troops under a series of puppet governments – between 500,000 and 900,000 men. Many of these men were undoubtedly poorly trained and poorly equipped, but the could at least perform duties like guarding railroads, thus freeing up the more skilled and experienced Japanese troops for places they could be more effectively used.

Poorly equipped or not, these Chinese soldiers would need some sort of guns. Arms captured from the enemy Nationalists and the KMT were one way Japan could cheaply arm them, but more was required. At some point (we are not sure exactly when), five Chinese manufacturing concerns began to manufacture rifles for the Japanese to issue to Chinese troops. These rifles were basically copies of the Type 30 Arisaka carbine (aka “hook safety”) but chambered for the 8mm Mauser cartridge. The 8mm was a common cartridge in China at the time, and its use would have made good logistical sense for the Japanese to provide (the Japanese controlled arsenal at Tientsin manufactured both 6.5mm Japanese and 8mm Mauser ammunition for many years during the war).

This first set of rifles is known to the collecting community as the North China Type 30 (you can see a good set of photos of one here), although it is not known what the rifle’s official Japanese designation was – there are very few records available regarding these guns, and much of the history is supposition based on the characteristics of documented rifles. The North China Type 30 was a reasonably high quality rifle – the workmanship was not as good as the Japanese homeland arsenals, but it was not a “last ditch” rifle, so to speak. It had a flip-up ladder sight like the true Type 30, and the receiver was marked with the emblem of a cherry blossom (not the Imperial chrysanthemum). In total, an estimated 38,500 of these North China Type 30 carbines were made (all carbines; no full length rifles).

North China Type 19

North China Type 19

By 1944, it appears that the need to supply Japanese troops in northern China had become more urgent than supplying the Chinese puppet troops, and these Chinese concerns that had been making the North China Type 30 changed their tooling up to make the North China Type 19 instead. This was a more modern Type 38 copy, chambered for the 6.5mm Japanese cartridge. While 8mm was easily available in China, official Japanese Army supplies did not use it – the 6.5mm had always been the predominant cartridge used in Chinese fighting (the 7.7mm saw much more use in the Pacific than in China). Despite being copied from the Type 38 carbine, the North China Type 19 retained a distinctive “pot belly” stock design. They also had the same cherry blossom crest on the receiver, although it was now paired with a series of 5 kanji that translate to “North China Type 19″ (hoku – ushi – shiki – ichi – ku).

North China Type 19 receiver markings

Cherry blossom and “North China Type 19″ markings

While the Type 30 copies appear to have been fairly uniform in construction, the Type 19 shows significant degradation as the war neared its end. The best quality North China Type 19 rifles have flip-up ladder sights, typical sling swivels, a blued finish, and knurled safety knobs. Others, however, show all the same cost-reducing modifications that are seen on late Type 99 Arisakas. We have a set of photographs of a very late example below, which has a flat safety, crude fixed rear notch sight, wooden buttplate, no sling swivels, and overall very crude workmanship. The finish on this rifle is in fact just a coat of black paint – it is in remarkably good condition, but you can see where bits have flaked off in some of the photos.

Like some typical Arisakas, this Type 19 exhibits both a serial number on the receiver sidewall and a 3-digit assembly number on the significant parts. The serial number and assembly number are not related, and so this should not be mistaken for a mismatched gun. Here are the numbered parts on this particular example:

Little else is known about the North China Type 19, including exactly who made them and where (the best guess right now is Beijing), how many were made, who they were issued to, and so on. Considering the chaos in China from fighting the Japanese and then a civil war, it is unlikely that we will ever find definitive records on these rifles. They are quite rare in the US, and typically command substantial prices if sellers know what they are.


Allan, White, and Zelinski. The Early Arisakas. AK Enterprises, Palm Coast FL, 2006. Frank Allan also has written a massive book on the Type 38 which I have not yet acquired, but which does include a section on the North China Type 19. It can be ordered direct from the author at Castle-Thunder.com.

Rock Island Regional Auction – July 2014

Yep, it’s time for another Rock Island Regional Auction this coming weekend! These are typically less valuable guns than the Premier auctions, and most of the lots include multiple guns instead of just one. Sometimes a lot will have a bunch of guns you want, and sometimes just one or two…but it’s always fun to browse through the catalog to see what is there. I found a handful of lots in this one that I thought would be interesting to point out (and no, I don’t share the ones I am bidding on – I want to maintain some sort of chance at winning them!)…

First up, a pair of Sauer Bär pistols (Lot 2176). These are interesting four-shot, two-barreled pistols made between the turn of the century and the start of World War I. I ran a guest article on them a while back, and found it a neat surprise to find not one but two in the auction this month. Don’t need two? Find a buddy who is also interested, and split the lot!

Sauer Bär pistols

Sauer Bär pistols (click to enlarge)

For the shooter who wants slightly more modern sort of Germany handgun, how about this lot of HK pieces (Lot 4866)? It includes a pair of less-common P7 pistols – an M10 in .40 S&W and a K3 in .32ACP – and an HK4 with the complete set of caliber conversions, so you can shoot .22LR, .25ACP, .32ACP, and .380 Auto. The P7 design is a pretty cool one, which I am looking forward to doing more coverage of, and the idea of one in .32ACP (and it can be converted to .38 as well) really appeals to me for some reason. The HK4 or a more conventional gun, but its factory set of caliber conversions is pretty neat.

Less common HK pistols

From top to bottom, HK P7K3, HK P7M10, and HK4 (click to enlarge)

Okay, so you do like pistols, but you want something classy and old-world-elegant instead of modern black polymer? Well, I have a deal for you – Lot 2886! Some of the classiest American pistols ever made, whether you are a upstanding gentleman or a desperate outlaw. A set of a Colt 1903, and Remington 51 (the original fantastic one, not the failed modern reproduction), and a Baby Browning (made in Belgium). I think the Remington would be my choice to carry, just because it is more esoteric. I do adore the 1903 as well, though. In fact, the 1903 in this lot is in somewhat rough shape, but is from the very first year of production – that gun definitely deserves a loving home. I never really caught the Baby Browning bug myself, but they certainly have an important place as a classic vest-pocket carry pistol.

Classy American pistols

From top to bottom, Colt 1903 (first variant), Remington 51, Baby Browning (click to enlarge)

Moving away from handguns, there is a shotgun lot that I think is worth mentioning – Lot 2329. I’m normally not hugely interested in shotguns, but the two in this lot are special – they are two examples of the first pump-action shotgun design, invented by Christopher Spencer (of Spencer repeating rifle fame). Spencer wasn’t able to make them into much of a commercial success, and sold the parts, patents, and production line to Francis Bannerman in the late 1880s. Bannerman continued to make the guns into the early 1900s, with only a few changes. Well, the two guns in this lot both have some issues, but are pretty cool. The top one is an example made by Bannerman. It has the original huge 32 inch barrel, but the slide handle has been replaced (the original Bannerman ones were ribbed wood, and a bit fragile). The bottom gun appears to actually be a Spencer-manufactured example, which would be rather rare – although it has had its barrel cut down at some point (a very practical modification, really). I may kick myself later for not trying to get this Spencer one, but I do already have a Bannerman example in my collection. So here’s your chance to snag a cool piece of history for yourself…

Spencer-Bannerman shotguns

Spencer-Bannerman shotguns (click to enlarge)

Speaking of Christopher Spencer, how about getting a couple carbines for the .56 caliber Spencer cartridge (Lot 2110)? This lot has a Spencer saddle-ring carbine and a Triplett & Scott carbine. The Spencer is reasonably well known – the first repeating arm formally used by the US military. It has a tube magazine in the stock and was influential, although obsolete by the end of the Civil War. The Triplett & Scott is a much less common design, with only about 5000 made, and not delivered until after the end of the Civil War. It was also chambered for the Spencer cartridge, and also had a tube magazine in the end of the stock. Unlike the lever-action Spencer, though, it had a pivoting hinge between the barrel and receiver. It was loaded by rotating the barrel assembly 180 degrees around the axis of the barrel. At about 90 degrees rotation an automatic ejector would remove the fired case, and at full rotating the barrel would line up with the magazine and feed a new cartridge into the chamber. The barrel could then be rotated back up, locked in place, and fired.

Both of these carbines are in kinda rough condition – they have clearly seen a lot of use. Frankly, that’s how I like my guns – but your opinion may vary. The Spencer has an obviously repair to the right side of the butt, and the Triplett & Scott has the typical large crack along the magazine tube on the left side (the wood there was very thin to allow room for the magazine, and this is a common problem).

Spencer and Triplett & Scott carbines

Spencer and Triplett & Scott carbines (click to enlarge)

Not the carbines you’re looking for? How about a Rolling Block and an Evans (Lot 2137)? The Remington Rolling Block is a classic staple of the single-shot military rifle era – I believe this one is an Argentine military contract gun (it’s a bit tricky to tell without seeing the markings on the top). The Evans, on the other hand, was the highest-capacity repeater available at the time – its helical magazine would hold no fewer than 26 rounds of .44 Evans Long. I’ve commented on Evans carbines from previous RIA auctions, and they remain as cool as ever.

Evans and Rolling Block carbines

Evans and Rolling Block carbines (click to enlarge)

Lastly, I have a lot for the collector of Thai arms: Lot 2506. In addition to a decent Type 38 Arisaka (the catalog had it mislabeled as a Type 99), a Mk II Martini-Henry, and a rough Mexican Mauser, it includes a Type 46 Siamese Mauser, made under contract by Koishikawa Arsenal in Japan. What makes this one special is that it is still in its original 8x50R cartridge, as you can tell by looking at the unmodified rear sight. Most of these rifles were rechambered to the 8x52R spitzer cartridge by the Thai government in the 1920s. Not that 8×50 is any easier to find than 8×52 (it’s not the same as the French 8×50 Lebel), but the original configuration is a scarce find.

Milsurp rifles - note the unmodified Type 46 Siamese Mauser at the bottom

Milsurp rifles – note the unmodified Type 46 Siamese Mauser at the bottom (click to enlarge)

Of course, there are thousands of other lots available in the auction, and plenty of them are also very cool – but I’ll leave it to you to browse through the catalog and find them yourself! If I give away all the hidden treasures, how will I manage to get a good deal myself?

37mm Gun, Bethlehem, Semi-Automatic (Video)

The 37mm gun was found in many guises during World War One – that caliber was the smallest allowed to use exploding projectiles by the 1899 Hague accords. Every nation in the world, it seems, used 37mm guns of one type or another. Well, one particular version I had the chance to look at was built by Bethlehem Steel in Pennsylvania for the French Army. Chambered for the same 37x136mm Hotchkiss Heavy cartridge used in US naval service, 200 were purchased in 1916. Only 15 were actually shipped before the US Army seized the bulk of the order in 1917 – but they were never put into any sort of service by the US military. The French tested the guns for suitability as n infantry gun, anti-tank gun, anti-aircraft gun, and naval landing gun – and found unsuitable for all roles. It was probably tested only as a backup in case the redesign of the Mle 1916 Tir Rapid ran into problems.

At any rate, the 15 guns sent to France were sent back at the end of the war, and the guns remained in US Army inventory until 1921, when they appear to have been distributed out the National Guard units.


I think this is a very cool gun for the present-day enthusiast. In addition to the historical links to WWI, it has the practical benefits of being relatively light and using ammunition relatively inexpensive to reload. And, of course, the free mount and shoulder rest and iron sights give it more the feel of a shoulder rifle than later light artillery that use precisely adjusted mounts. This one is just more fun to shoot! Alas, there are very few still in existence. Perhaps an opportunity for someone who wants to make a reproduction Big Boy’s Toy?

Vintage Saturday: (not) SNLF

Japanese SNLF soldiers with SIG M1920 submachine guns

Some of the very few Japanese troops to be issued submachine guns.

Japanese SNLF marines Chinese troops with SIG M1920 submachine guns. The SIG M1920 was a licensed copy of the German MP18/I, and SIG sold them to Japan in 7.63mm Mauser caliber. They were used by the Special Naval Landing Forces, as well as Chinese troops like those pictured here. Thanks to Leszek for the photo!

Edited: Based on the comments folks more knowledgeable than I, it appears that these are Chinese puppet troops, and not Japanese forces.

Tab Clearing…

Happy Independence Day to all my American readers, and a happy Friday to everyone else! I’ve had a bunch of items come across my desk that aren’t really enough for their own posts,so I figured I’d lump a bunch of them together for you today.

1) A few days ago I spent several hours on Reddit answering all sorts of questions. It was a lot of fun (and more civil than I had expected), and the thread is still around. If you want to kill some time seeing what my opinion is on various gun things, you can browse through this: Forgotten Weapons: Ask Me Anything.

2) I have a brief video of an M18 Hellcat tank destroyer firing. I took this footage at a machine gun and cannon shoot a little while back. Didn’t have the tme or opportunity to do a more comprehensive video, but the firing alone is pretty neat (I can only wish I’d had the Edgertronic for that range day!):

3) Thank to Grant Cunningham for noticing this – British Pathé has put all their archival footage online. For those who aren’t familiar, Charles Pathé was a pioneer in motion picture technology, and the creator of the newsreel in 1908 – essentially the YouTube of its day. For more than 60 years, his company British Pathé had camera crews all over the world filming a mind-boggling array of history as it was being made. They charge for professional licensed use of the footage (and you will recognize some of the particularly significant events from TV and movie usage), but they now have the entire collection available online for free viewing. WOW!

I hardly know where to start to describe the depth of this video archive. In total it contains about 90,000 items, including things like the Hindenburg fire, Emily Davidson throwing herself under the King’s horse in 1913, Queen Victoria’s funeral, the Wright brothers’ first flight, and far more. A quick search for “rifles” turned up these two, among many others: Demonstrating the EM-2 and demonstrating the new FAL.

There is an immense amount of material here, and if you are not careful you will start watching it, and then look up and realize several days have passed.

4) One of the folks on Reddit asked me about a photo he had found of what is apparently a speedloading device for a single-shot break action shotgun. I’ve never seen it before – any thoughts?

Shotgun speedloader

5) Lastly, I just came into possession of this rifle. I know what it is – do you? :)

Not something you see every day...

Not something you see every day…


Book Review: China’s Small Arms of the 2nd Sino-Japanese War

I picked up a copy of this book a couple years ago when Bin Shih first published it, but by the time I got around to doing a review it had sold out – so I didn’t bother. Well, a seconds printing run has been made, so it seems that now would be a good time to take a closer look at it. There are very few English-language resources on Chinese WWII small arms, and this is a good one…

As I mentioned in the video, it both the English and Chinese versions (in Traditional Chinese – the Simplified Chinese version is not available in the US) are available at ChineseFirearms.com – it is a privately printed work, so that is the only source for new copies.